Monday, June 18, 2007

Right or Wrong?

This is an interesting one, which raises a whole host of questions.


Were these two suspended for viewing non work related internet sites during work hours, a crime to which I plead guilty, along with just about everone else in the country or are they in trouble for viewing websites related to the BNP?


Would they be in as much trouble if they had viewed another British political party's website? Would the school suspend (or even question) a Muslim teacher caught accesssing the Hamas website, or Osama Bin Laden's own Blog for that matter?

What would happen to a Chinese teacher found reading a Chinese official newspage celebrating the anniversary of the Tibet invasion and the crushing of its populace? How would a Somalian caught reading the latest Jubba Valley Militiamen broadcasts be dealt with?

I wonder whether his Union would defend him to the hilt or abandon him?

What do you think your school would do in a case like this?

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

As a teacher, in my subject I have to work with my students on such issues a s racism including extremist parties, and I have been on such websites to research such topics whilst at school, never had any problems. Viewing such sites doesn't necessarily mean one is d'accord with their contents.

Anonymous said...

I see that one has been suspended pending an internal probe. Now that's what I call a discipline procedure!!!

athemax said...

Well it's not that long ago since one was sacked for wearing a veil so this is just the other side of the coin isn't it?
I'm not a teacher myself but based on what I see around me usually when the company sacks somebody for something like this it's usually a case of them seizing the chance to get rid of an arsehole for something that a more competent individual would be forgiven for.

alanorei said...

Just for the record,

Simon Smith, a Maths teacher at St Peter's RC school in Solihull, was suspended in April 2004 for being a member of the BNP.

He was forced out of his job a month later.

Graduate mental health worker Tina Wingfield was sacked from North Cumbria NHS Trust in mid-2005 for being a member of the BNP.

Drama tutor Emma Chamberlain was sacked in April 2006 from the Astor Theatre Arts Centre in Deal, Kent, for supporting the BNP.

No-one ever proved any misconduct on the part of Miss Chamberlain, Mr Smith or Mrs Wingfield. Their professionalism in their respective disciplines was of the highest order. No-one ever proved otherwise.

Self-employed businessman and charity worker Kevin Hughes was gaoled for 12 months in May 2006 for being a member of the BNP (on a trumped-up charge of racially aggravated assault).

There have been other similar cases.

As for Mr C's question, I guess it depends on just how Stalinist the school SMT is.

14:06

Jut said...

Yep, nothing like giving the BNP scum the chance to play victim by discriminating against them.
The best defence against parties such as the BNP is to stick to the moral high ground (freedom of speech) and let the BNP's general stupidity and ignorance drive away the voters, not sacking anyone associated with them.

Wally Windsor said...

They're just creating martyrs. Or maybe that's the purpose behind the actions? Twisted, eh?!

alanorei said...

jut said:...

The best defence against parties such as the BNP is to stick to the moral high ground (freedom of speech)


Please provide evidence of the BNP's opposition to freedom of speech.

and let the BNP's general stupidity and ignorance drive away the voters.

It's not happening, though, is it? The general public are gradually waking up to the fact that they have been consistently shafted by the MSM and successive governments for the last 50 years.

Mr C also had a question about whether or not a BNP individual's union would defend him.

It depends first on whether or not the union's national executive would summarily eject him for BNP membership.

UCU, which I belonged to and before that NATFHE, for almost 20 years, probably would but I'm guessing.

If not, it then depends on the integrity of individual case workers in the local Branch Executive.

The one time I was suspended by line management for holding dissenting views (in 1994), I found that the Branch Executive was above reproach in progressing my case, even though they disagreed with my views.

It is to be hoped that a similar sense of fairness prevails elsewhere.

alanorei said...

Jut said...
Yep, nothing like giving the BNP scum the chance to play victim by discriminating against them...


The discrimination was illegal. Don't overlook the obvious.

Wally Windsor said...
They're just creating martyrs. Or maybe that's the purpose behind the actions? Twisted, eh?!


Who is "they"? Please identify and explain.

BFB said...

Alanorei,

Don't waste your time with these lefty types, they would hate the BNP if Jesus himself was their leader.

They are anti anything they don't approve of. They are the REAL fascists.

athemax said...

Alanorei much though it pains me to say it you are right on this point, to sack someone for belonging to an organisation which is not illegal is discrimination and sad but true, the BNP is not a banned organisation.
As for attacking freedom of speech though how about this rather delightful quote from your esteemed leader "The electors of Millwall did not back a postmodernist rightist party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
Definitely a man who believes in the power of the ballot box.
bfb isn't your statement about being anti anything they don't approve of a bit redundant, you could hardly expect anyone to be anti anything they approve of now could you?

Jut said...

Thanks to the BNP members here for proving my point.
Martyr complex

alanorei said...

Athemax said:

"to sack someone for belonging to an organisation which is not illegal is discrimination and...the BNP is not a banned organisation."

Thank you, much appreciated. We agree to disagree on the sadness part, of course.

Though I am wondering where and when the quote came from. And was it from Nick Griffin or the late John Tyndale?

Thanks also, bfb. I knew you'd stir things up a bit.

BFB said...

bfb isn't your statement about being anti anything they don't approve of a bit redundant, you could hardly expect anyone to be anti anything they approve of now could you?

Some punctuation would help:I actually said "They are anti anything they don't approve of. They are the REAL fascists."

And I stand by that statement; in what sense is it 'redundant'?

BFB said...

Jut

Thanks to the BNP members here for proving my point.
Martyr complex


Fuck me, Jut's 'R' Us has spoken!

C'mon, O Holy JUT...thrill us with your wisdom...

We're all ears, Holy One.

Smashing blog!!

Can't wait to encounter 'JUT' again!

BFB said...

Athemax... "sad but true, the BNP is not a banned organisation."

Sad for who?

I would like to ban the Labour Party...but then we'd all be living in your sad world, wouldn't we?

BFB said...

Mr Chalk,

You have some really STRANGE people on this blog!

Anonymous said...

bfb,

Could not agree more, the hands down winner on the strange-ometer, coming in at a whopping 13 out of 10 is Alanorei. Just look at the Creationist posts.
Weird... with a capital Z.

BFB said...

Anon,

Now have a pop at Allah!

Go on, I dare you!!

athemax said...

Alanorei
Nick Griffin said it in 1993 at the election of the BNP's first councillor in Milwall
bfb
actually my world is quite a happy jolly place much like me, May I ask why you would
ban the Labour Party (a unlikely possibility), perhaps you dislike Tony's Colgate bright smile? understandable but not really relevant to the political process.
What sort of pop would you like people to take at Allah and why is it such an emotive issue to you. Personally I don't believe Islam any more than I believe Christianity but obviously this is quite a major issue to you, I'm curious why.

Anonymous said...

Why have a pop at something that doesn't bother or offend me? I'd much rather have a pop at Captain drivel and his lunatic BNP pals. ( whcih I suspect includes you).

BFB said...

athemax,

My apologies, I never realized you were so out of touch...

http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/2007/06/denouncing-white-christians-is-ok.html

Even Al-Beeb admit to respecting Allah whilst disrespecting Christians:

http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/2007/06/bbc-report-finds-bias-within.html

If you criticize Allah you will be arrested for a 'hate crime' (a bit like those pupils who showed a healthy interest in politics only to be chastised for showing an interest in the 'wrong' type of politics).

Hope that helps!

BFB said...

Anon,

Well done, you managed to include "lunatic" and "BNP" in the same sentence without offering a single explanation!

Where have I come across that tactic before?

Oh, that's right!

EVERYWHERE.

Anon, post something original next time. There's a good sheep!

Anonymous said...

bfb,

I read some of your blog and your comments to some of the dissenting posters. From this I conclude:-
1. You didn't fit in at school.
2. You were one of those loud pricks at the back ( and bottom) of the class who irritated the hell out of teachers and other kids.
3. You didn't leave school weighed down with qualifications.
4. You were drawn in by a sad bunch of racists who prey on susceptible minds and were moulded into one of them.

If you need evidence/justification for the above please see my comments at www.dimracist.com or alternatively visit www.Ineedhelp.org

Please make our day and tell us you believe the world is 6000 years old and that Copernicus was a fool.

alanorei said...

athemax said...
Alanorei
Nick Griffin said it in 1993 at the election of the BNP's first councillor in Milwall


Thanks. I see the statement is quoted by Nigel Copsey (an academic acquaintance) in his book Contemporary British Fascism, p 70, from The Rune.

John Prescott of course put these words into practice in September 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/
wales/1
535793.stm

He isn't the only Labour supporter with the courage of his convictions (I don't use the term in the legal sense):

From the BNP News Archive, the incident having been photographed by a Sky News cameraman. I have seen the video.

"A four minute video featuring the BNP was broadcast yesterday evening (17th February 2006) on Sky News as part of a special political bulletin.

"Newly appointed Group Development Director, Sadie Graham spoke to the Sky cameras in the Derbyshire town of Heanor where the party came a close second to Labour in a council by-election last week.

"During the interview Sadie was assaulted by a drunken attacker who turns out to be a member of the far left, violent Socialist Workers Party and of the equally violent Anti-Nazi League. The attacker was arrested but released with just a police caution.

"However this disgusting cowardly attack on a single female will not go unpunished; the BNP legal team have initiated proceedings to bring about a private prosecution of this thug."


He spat in her face, shouted obscenities at her and accused her of complicity in the WW2 Jewish Holocaust - an astounding feat for a young woman under 30 years of age.

(I don't know how the private prosecution is going, unfortunately.)

I guess there are some on this blog who would have stood by and applauded.

Goes to show that politics can be a rough game, though.

I suggest, however, that the main threat to the ballot box these days comes from the Lib/Lab/Con cabal who will be happy to sign away, or support the signing away of, what remains of Britain's electoral process to the EU in May 2009.

See http://eutruth.org.uk/#Queen

And scroll down to The Westminster News, December 2006.

If this goes ahead as planned, I suggest that the BNP will be the least of anyone's worries, of those who believe in 'the democratic process,' as was, by then.

P.S. Anon said:

Please make our day and tell us you believe the world is 6000 years old and that Copernicus was a fool.

You are mixing the threads. However, I suggest check out the Tychonic Model. Nothing like addressing both sides of the issue.

BFB said...

Anon,

All of the above is correct!

That's why I left school with a mind of my own.

Your pathetic attempt to ridicule me will only expose your own ignorance. Check out my very first blog:

http://pyramidworld.blogspot.com/

and if there are too many numbers, let me know and I'll explain them to you!

Not bad for a racist, eh?

What's your contribution to the sum total of human knowledge?

Political-fucking-correctness?

Pat yourself on the back, sheep!

Anonymous said...

bfb said,

"Your pathetic attempt to ridicule me will only expose your own ignorance. Check out my very first blog:

http://pyramidworld.blogspot.com/"



I can't thank you enough for the pyramid link! You are truly a genius! Ridiculing you has just become even easier.


Just a couple of minor points:-

posessed
understandabley
godess
chilbirth
definintion
prominantly
bizzare
becuase the the resulting
truely

Apart from these minor errors (no doubt due to you being too busy studying pyramids to attend english lessons) it is truly a marvellous work of statistical bollocks.

I have just completed my own study and have found that if I multiply the length of my shoelace ( in fathoms)by the number of tea leaves in my cup, then square the whole lot by the length of my John Thomas ( in feet), the total is exactly 0.04534 times the height of the Cheops pyramid ( + or - 5 squirrels)

Please refer to my helpsheet at www.dyslexicpyramidologists.crap.uk

Best of luck with your future studies.
I suggest teaching the new science GCSE would be an ideal job for you. That's full of sh*t too!

BFB said...

PS: Copernicus wasn't a fool, those who believe he was the first to suggest a round earth are the fools!

Like those who believe Columbus discovered America; and those who believe we are all equal; and those who believe they can win an arguement simply by playing the "your'e all racist" card.

It's very easy to go with the flow, isn't it...FOOL!

BFB said...

Anon,

I suppose Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were 'full of shit' too!

Ignorant wanker!

It's obvious you were taught in a multicultural British school.

God help our fucking kids!

BFB said...

"if I multiply the length of my shoelace"

How original...(-;

For your info the Great Pyramid was the first large stone structure ever built; it is to this very day the most massive man-made structure on earth.

That hardly compares to your fucking shoelaces.

Were you born a twat or is it a recent developement!

BFB said...

Go on, change the subject by pointing out that I didn't use a question mark after 'developement', o wise one!

Anonymous said...

I would never point out such a ridiculously small grammatical error....however...did you mean development perhaps? Oops there I go again.

Jut said...

heh bfb you're quite good entertainment:)

I know you hate to be corrected but the great pyramid was not the first known large stone structure built by man; That honour goes to The Step Pyramid of Djoser which predates the great pyramid by several hundred years.

Nor is the great pyramid the most massive structure to this day, that award goes to the Great Wall of China although some would argue Fresh Kills Landfill beats that.

Curse my multicultural education.

I look forward to your angry replys.

BFB said...

Jut,

I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong, but the fact is that radio carbon datings have proven that the Great Pyramid was built at least 400 years prior to the reign of Khufu (see The Orion Mystery, by Robert Bauval; I don't have any of my books in front of me at the momemt (apologies) so I can't refer you to the exact page, but I believe it's in the appendices. Suffice to say that even Egyptologist Mark Lehner acknowledges the results of this dating, but argues that there must be some error).

The dating of the Great Pyramid is still open to question. It hasn't been proven one way or the other.

My own view is that the Zoser's (spellings vary) Step Pyramid at Saqqara was a trial run to farmiliarize the work force with the skills required to build the Great Pyramid,a moments thought will lend credence to this hypothesis.

There were actually 7 pyramids built before the Grt. Pyramid, and all show signs of an unskilled workforce. The Great Pyramid was built by the most accomplished stonemasons ever to grace this planet, and I challenge you to refer to a better example of the stonemason's art. It is not an exagertaion to suggest that even by modern standards, the Grt. Pyramid is the most impressive architectural feat ever attempted (and accomplished) by the human race!

As for the Great wall of China, it was not inspired by an architect, it was a desperate attempt to keep out the invading Monguls. Very little thought went into the Wall, countless books have been written about the Great Pyramid, with good reason.

It could be argued that London is a man-made object, but where do we draw the line?

The Great Pyramid consists of 6.3 million tonnes of solid masonry (save for a few internal chambers) and there must have been a very powerful motive behind it's very existence.

I may be wrong to suggest it is the most massive of man-made objects (where do you draw the line?), but if anyone can refer me to a more accurate monument I would greatly appreciate it.

(Any spelling mistakes will no doubt be corrected by 'the wise one'.)

By the way, I wouldn't pay too much attention to those Time Life books you've obviously been reading.

I suggest "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid" by Charles Piazzi Smythe (Astronomer Royal for Scotland for an incredible 42 years)!

dearieme said...

Back to the topic in hand. Are those chaps in trouble for being BNP. Odds on, I'd have thought.

athemax said...

How is the fact that the slope of Silsbury is roughly the same as the latitude of Khufu and vice versa significant? If they were an exact match to several decimal places and both were made of the same material then you would have a mystery indeed as it is you simply have a co-incidence. Both are basically big man made heaps of rock and given the construction technology of the time if you wanted to build something big and permanent then a mound or a pyramid was about the only possible shape.
What is your web site trying to prove anyway? That the ancient Egyptians were a clever and industrious people? No one would doubt that for a second.
That some Iron Age adventurer from Ancient Britain saw the pyramids and decided to knock up his own copy.
Possible of course but a tad difficult to prove.
You yourself don't seem to come to a conclusion
Alanorei damn I have to agree with you for the second time today.
Violent politics from the left are no more acceptable than violent politics for the right and I for one do not approve of this Yahoo's behaviour any more than you do.

BFB said...

Athemax,"How is the fact that the slope of Silsbury is roughly the same as the latitude of Khufu and vice versa significant?"

You obviously didn't get past the first paragraph. Tell me, were you aware that planet earth had the face of a lion? On second thoughts, don't even go there!

What did you make of the mathematics?

That is the basis of my work, if you think you can dismiss it by singling out one coincidence then you are even more ignorant than even I imagined.

As I said, if the numbers (all things are numbers;Pythagorus)confuse you, I am more than willing to explain.

On second thoughts,you'll be needing a brain for that!

Dearieme,

Of course it's about the BNP. The article says that the brothers accessed an 'extreme' website.

Anyone (even athemax) who can refer me to any 'extreme' content on the BNP website is more than welcome to do so on this very blog (Mr Chalk permitting).

BFB said...

athemax,

I forgot to ask your views on the 'Secant Conic Projection' aspect of my hypothesis.

Whenever you're ready!

athemax said...

bfb
The page about seeing the face of a lion on the map of the Earth was an interesting thought exercise but nothing more. How is it significant? Most people including me can see a human face on the surface of the moon is that important? Is the face of Allah in a cup of coffee important?
You must be aware of the classical drawing that looks like a young woman from one angle and an old onefrom another.
As for your mathematics on your website, well you've proved that you have grasped O level geometry and know how to use a calculator. You obviously consider this to be a personal achievement and who am I to say otherwise? Well Done. But you still haven't answered my question what are you trying to prove? You have taken a number of apparently unrelated things, found some vague correlations between them and generated a lot of equally vague numbers.
Why ?

BFB said...

athemax,

I don't mean to club you with this, but "Secant Conic Projection'?

Do you understand it?

Because if you don't, you really are not in position to discredit me, are you?

I do not see a man in the moon, I have never met any (sane) person who can.

Maybe you will point it out to me (us).

I can see the moon...but where is this obvious face of which you speak?

BFB said...

" equally vague numbers"

The 'vague numbers' are all accurate to at least 5 significant figures (not bad for a bunch of tree-hopping ancient hunter-gatherers).

How accurate do you suggest they be?

Because your obvious knowledge of maths (including Secant Conic Projection - necessary for mapping the earth)is second to none.

Or should that read 'NONE', as in "NIL".

As in "FUCK OFF TWAT"!

alanorei said...

athemax said:

Alanorei damn I have to agree with you for the second time today.
Violent politics from the left are no more acceptable than violent politics for the right and I for one do not approve of this Yahoo's behaviour any more than you do.


Thanks again. (Rest assured, you were in my mind wholly exempted from my jibe above. But what also worries me was the police response. Now the Justice (!) Secretary wants to turn fraudsters, drug dealers and burglars loose and some fiend has created a pc game about James Bulger. Even though the latter has been withdrawn, in the light of these horrendous developments, BNP policy on Law and Order at least offers a return to sanity.)

Re: The Great Pyramid. I have not been able to give bfb's thorough-going work the attention it merits, but in 1920, Pastor Clarence Larkin, an architect by profession before he was ordained, published a detailed eschatological commentary entitled Dispensational Truth. The work has never really been surpassed in its field. He has an informative chapter entitled The Dispensational Teaching of the Great Pyramid, in which he draws out scriptural teaching from the geometry of its construction.

It is interesting to see how yet more information - this time of a precise geographical nature - may be derived from the structure, by bfb's entirely independent approach.

Graham said...

JUT says: Yep, nothing like giving the BNP scum the chance to play victim by discriminating against them.
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But of course the loony left or the interminable faction of idiot Islam would never make discrimination an excuse to cause trouble or get noticed would they? Nothing like parading around on the BBC looking perturbed and crying for human rights? Maybe the BNP supporters SHOULD start doing it; after all, it’s only fair that we play agreeably together.

Also, I do recall some kind of recent “protest” by Non-BNP members, something to do with the “Oppression of potential militant Islamists, who enjoy calling for Sharia Law and the beheading of the west”.

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JUT says: The best defence against parties such as the BNP is to stick to the moral high ground (freedom of speech) and let the BNP's general stupidity and ignorance drive away the voters, not sacking anyone associated with them.

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Never once read that the BNP wholeheartedly wishes to stifle freedom of speech; BBC would love to yes, and the banning of free speech and thought is something usually associated with mad religious clerics (predominantly those suffering with the symptoms of the debilitating disease Islam), and those of the extreme-left camps (like BBC bosses), who are obsessed with finding offence, delusional about ethnic inequity, infuriating to everyone else with regard to their sheer idiocy or their dire need to re-label everything so as “not to cause offence”… has anybody told them that changing or re-writing history, or banning indigenous cultural symbols to please a clinically ill Marxist mad-act or Islamic scumbag is offensive itself?

PLUS

Can’t wait to see the voters flock from the BNP camp, last few elections have shown increases in BNP votes, more councillors elected, and more and more people waking up and finding the collectivist cause abhorrent. So I fear the only time people will run from the left and right fields is when, and only when, a party promoting equality for all (not just the few who follow suit, or those of “colour”), common sense (laws defending the rights of victims would be a good start, as would ceasing the influx of third-world poverty and UNSKILLED benefit tourists) and a return to morality (no more Marxist fascism because they cannot stand anything that opposes their delusional view) top the manifesto, and it ain’t really happened yet! Or has it?

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JUT says: Thanks to the BNP members here for proving my point.
Martyr complex

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Martyr complex? And there was me thinking only those promised 72 virgins AFTER their last bang were plagued with such things. Anyway, why shouldn’t they? Is it a game only asylum seekers, religious fundamentalists and nu-Lab activists can play, because that’s how it’s looking at present? It rings true that people like you JUT, are incapable of being played at their own game. Well tough.

But I agree with you that Professionals should be congratulated for carrying out their duties effectively, NOT lambasted, fired or publicly disgraced because of the differing political beliefs they hold to their crazed, Socialist superiors;

Wake up lefties. Socialist forced-diversity nonsense has failed, you can’t hide it anymore.

bob said...

BFB said...
" equally vague numbers"

The 'vague numbers' are all accurate to at least 5 significant figures (not bad for a bunch of tree-hopping ancient hunter-gatherers).

How accurate do you suggest they be?

Because your obvious knowledge of maths (including Secant Conic Projection - necessary for mapping the earth)is second to none.

Or should that read 'NONE', as in "NIL".

As in "FUCK OFF TWAT"!

A little GCSE maths for you. Accuracy has nothing to do with decimal places, it is a measure of how near you are to the true figure.In Year 10 we say that the number of decimal places refers to precision.
It is difficult to take your rather vague maths seriously if you're accuracy with words is so poor.

athemax said...

bfb
Yes I understand Secant Conic Projection, I'd never heard of it till you started ranting on about it so I had to look it up but it's a simple enough idea, It's one of a number of methods of trying to get round the problem that you can't accurately map the surface of a 3D object like Earth on a 2D one like a map. A Secant Projection and it doesn't have to be a cone, a cylinder will work just as well is one where the mapping object the cone or cylinder is superimposed on the sphere as a 3D representation and then unrolled into 2D to give a surface map of the original 3D object. A Secant projection is one where the volume of the mapping object is as closely aligned to the mapped object as possible and thus touchs the mapped object at 2 points (due to its surface being bisected by the sphere) unlike a Tangent Projection which is of such a volume that the mapped object fits inside it and the mapping object touchs the mapped object at only a single point. mapped/mapping are probably not the proper terms to use so if there are any professional mathematicians reading this please make allowances for that.
Does this explanation satisfy you bfb?

Anonymous said...

bfb I’ve looked at your pyramid site and am slightly confused, do you suggest that the Egyptians formed the earth so that with a bit of manipulation the map might look a bit like lion, if that is your contention I must say they did a pretty poor job C- at best.
Getting away from subjective matters you describe the latitude of the northern face of the great pyramid as 29 degrees, 58 minutes 51.00366082 seconds this places it with an accuracy of less then one thousandth of a millimeter, how do you achieve such remarkable accuracy?
Jobrag

Jut said...

graham,
I'm going to ignore your rantings, I'm far from socialist or a "let's hug extremists" type person. I just don't subscribe to the beliefs of a party that will judge people on skin colour or nationality when many of our problems are caused by brits in the first place (look at your local council cesspool estate for an example)

"But I agree with you that Professionals should be congratulated for carrying out their duties effectively, NOT lambasted, fired or publicly disgraced because of the differing political beliefs"
This is exactly what I believe, straight up as long as the teacher doesn't use his position to force his beliefs on others, and I'm not just targeting BNP here, I actually have in mind schools where students are forced to 'pray' and attend church because of SMT's beliefs.
Schools should be secular and non political

Barnsley Nationalist said...

It is absolutely despicable that this sort of thing happens this day and age. I can’t understand how any individual’s political views should jeopardise their career. These men haven’t preached their views or tried to influence the young ones in way, so I say let them be. However, what I do find more offensive is that a convicted paedophile can get employment within the educational system and this is deemed OK. I think that just about sums up the politically correct assholes that claim they are running our country.

BFB said...

Bob said: "Accuracy has nothing to do with decimal places, it is a measure of how near you are to the true figure."

Perhaps you can give us a 'true figure' for the Pi-ratio without using the decimal point. If you can you are truely a genius!

"In Year 10 we say that the number of decimal places refers to precision.
It is difficult to take your rather vague maths seriously if you're accuracy with words is so poor."


And there's me thinking that 'accuracy' and 'precision' are the same thing!

Get back to me when year 11 arrives.

BFB said...

Anon: "do you suggest that the Egyptians formed the earth "

Let me stop you there. At no stage in my blog do I suggest (let alone claim) that the Egyptians created the earth. If you read the introduction again you will see that I in fact suggest that our ancient ancestors had 'mapped and measured' the earth at least 5000 years ago.

I have not suggested (as you imply) that the Egyptians -or any other race of humans - "formed' the earth.

As for the slope-angle of the Great Pyramid, I don't know how they managed it, I only know that they did.

BFB said...

Does the intelligence level on this blog progress at some stage?

Maybe it coincides with the full moon!

Just a thought.

athemax said...

bfb
anon didn't ask about the slope angle of the Pyramid he asked how you measured it's latitude with such precision that you can quote it to a 1000th of a millimeter. I take it you have actually been there and done this yourself by the way and are not just quoting from a book. I strongly advise that whatever the measuring technique you used that you should patent it straight away. The military in particular would pay handsomely for the ability to target missiles to witihin less than the thickness of a coat of paint.

Anonymous said...

If you believe accuracy and precision are the same thing you are truly a dope.You need to learn to walk before you can run. Bob seems to have a better grasp of basic maths and english than you do,together with an ability to debate without resorting to swearing.

Anonymous said...

BFB said...

"Perhaps you can give us a 'true figure' for the Pi-ratio without using the decimal point. If you can you are truely a genius!"

I don't need to wait until Year 11, I clearly know more maths than you do already. This is a little embarrassing having to explain this to you but here goes.

Accuracy is a measure of the agreement between the
estimates of a value and the “true” value. Accuracy
refers to how close a value is to the “true” value.

Precision is the strength of agreement between
replicate measurements. It tells us how close multiple
values are to each other. It refers to the magnitude of
random errors and the reproducibility of
measurements. In other words, if you run a test many
times on the same sample, precision will be a measure
of how close all the test results are to each other.

And yes I did get this from the internet, but I do understand it.

You are obviously confused about how accuracy and precision are related to true value. Here's a simple example which might be nearer your level.

You are playing darts in your BNP club, you are aiming for the bullseye. You hit treble 20 three times in a row. Your results are precise because they were all very similar but they were not accurate because they were nowhere neare the bull ( the true value if you like).

You go to Egypt and measure the length of a side of your pyramid using a laser and find it is 145.324534 metres. You repeat this 5 times and get the same result. Your results are very PRECISE but unfortunately because you forgot the pyramid used to have a thick coating, they are nowhere near the true value and are therefore not ACCURATE.

Hope this helps. Perhaps a maths teacher could explain it a little better. It is a teaching blog after all.

logicman said...

bfb said,

"For your info the Great Pyramid was the first large stone structure ever built; it is to this very day the most massive man-made structure on earth."

bfb then said,

"My own view is that the Zoser's (spellings vary) Step Pyramid at Saqqara was a trial run to farmiliarize the work force with the skills required to build the Great Pyramid."

Make your mind up, if the Step pyramid is a large stone structure and was built before the Great pyramid then quite obviously your statement that "the Great Pyramid was the first large stone structure ever built" is wrong.

Equally, the Great Wall is man made,more massive than the Cheops pyramid and a stone structure and then surely it is the most massive man made structure?

Anonymous said...

bfb said,

"For your info the Great Pyramid was the first large stone structure ever built; it is to this very day the most massive man-made structure on earth."

No! Sorry the Hoover Dam for one is larger.

Ian M said...

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JPW said...

Jeez.. you both talk a lot of poo.
But very very funny, I really liked the way the conversation went from being a quite informative and well thought out discussion to statements of "YOU TWAT"
I nearly dropped my BNP leaflet in my curry.
Keep it up guys post more!